Justice reform advocate Kim Workman looks back at his long friendship with author and social commentator Celia Lashlie, recalling the first time he met her and the weekend she took a van-load of Maori prisoners to learn a thing or two from some kaumatua.

He talks to Newstalk ZB's Alex Mason about a unique woman, who fought for her views, and always had a drive for social justice, equality and fairness.