Red cards have been a major talking point in the last few rounds of Super Rugby Pacific – both on and off the field. 

Highlanders captain Aaron Smith made no secret of the fact he felt his side was robbed by a couple of contentious calls in their loss to the Hurricanes on Saturday. 

So, what do the refs themselves make of this? 

D'Arcy Waldegrave speaks to NZ Rugby high-performance manager Bryce Lawrence to find out. 

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