16 July 2023:  More than 80% of NZ prisoners have suffered mental health or substance use issues. Are prisons just a place we put our most mentally unwell citizens to maintain their cycles of crime and suffering?

Hamish Williams and psychotherapist Kyle MacDonald talk about the nuances of the prison system, criminals, mental health and its role in perpetuating offences or supporting recovery.

Journalist Jim Mahoney shares his experiences in the system.

With thanks to NZ on Air.

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