Former Defence Minister Ron Mark says New Zealand's been late to the party in helping Ukraine.

We're sending a further 30 defence personnel to the UK, to train Ukrainian forces on a specific type of light gun.

Ron Mark has been on the ground in Ukraine and says despite the odds the people have an iron will.

He told Mike Hosking the international community will judge us in the years to come.

Mark says our help has come too late, and only because we're under pressure to act.

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