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Look no further than the mighty Hamilton for how a city survives during a pandemic when it isn't locked down.
A recently released 2021 economic report shows that Hamilton has had the strongest economy compared to other cities.
Since 2019 it's GDP has increased 4.3 percent - compared to 3.3 percent for Wellington, 3.1 percent for Christchurch, 0.4 percent for Auckland and 3.6 percent across the country.
They also had growth last year of 0.9 percent, compared to the rest of the country's growth of only 0.1 percent.
Hamilton mayor Paula Southgate joined Mike Hosking.