The Defence Minister says there's still a lot of groundwork to lay before any decision on AUKUS is made.  

Judith Collins and Foreign Minister Winston Peters will meet with their Australian counterparts in Melbourne today.  

She says that while other topics will be on the agenda, the defence and interests of New Zealand in the Pacific will come first.  

Collins told Mike Hosking that New Zealand doesn't yet have enough information on pillar two of AUKUS.  

She said that's because AUKUS members are still trying to figure out how New Zealand could fit into the agreement. 

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