The future of travel has been a hot topic today.
Bill Gates has suggested that lockdowns will see many businesses curb back on travel, now that new technology and closed borders have shown that businesses can be conducted remotely.
Meanwhile, a former trade envoy says Jacinda Ardern should base a senior Cabinet minister in Europe from next year.
Former special agricultural envoy Mike Petersen says not engaging in person with trade counterparts - because of Covid-19 - is problematic
He says we need to be more creative, in a travel-constrained world.
Peterson says doing meetings by Zoom sounds very nice, but nothing beats relating one-to-one.
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