An ex-Green MP says there's no harm in having a conversation about the party's leadership - and is urging other political stripes to have it too.
It comes amid reports the Greens are set to look at whether their co-leadership model of one women and one guy - is fit for purpose.
Catherine Delahunty says the original plan was based on gender balance - but we now need a non-binary approach.
She told Heather du Plessis-Allan it's also about who will bring a radical edge to issues.
Delahunty says the fact that they're having the conversation is a good thing - and other political parties should consider having more than one leader too.
Meanwhile, the fashion world looks to be entering into the early stages of a new denim cycle.
The boss of Levi's Jeans says they're noticing more consumers opting for loose-fitting denim over the tighter fit.
Auckland stylist Caitlin Taylor told Mike Hosking she believes the pandemic has played a contributing role in this change.
She says people became very used to wearing comfortable clothes during lockdown.
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