On this week's podcast:

AUKUS - the joint project by the US, the UK and Australia, to provide nuclear powered submarines to the Australian navy.

Undersea security is increasingly important, think Nordstream.

Alessio Patalano, Professor of War and Strategy in East Asia, Kings College, London, guests with personal insight, and we begin with what’s in it for New Zealand.

And, of course, The Mailroom with Mrs Producer.

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