Andrew Barnes wants us all working less. 

In late 2018, Barnes set up an experiment within his company, Perpetual Guardian, where employees could opt to work just four days as long as they were productive enough to justify them.

The story went global, as countries and companies look for new ways to motivate staff and innovate productivity.

Perpetual Guardian has now made a permanent switch to a shorter working week, and Barnes has detailed how it happened in his new book, The 4-Day Week.

He joined Andrew Dickens to discuss what sparked the change, how they implemented it, and whether or not this will be the future.

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