Former All Black Andy Ellis talks with Kerre McIvor about his new book.

Prior to his rugby days, Andy was a landscape architect student at Lincoln University. He made it three years through the four-year degree before he was signed by the Canterbury NPC team.

11 years later, Andy is into his fourth season playing rugby in Japan, with his degree still on hold but that hasn’t stopped his involvement in landscaping.

He’s written a book, Kiwi Backyard, providing landscape design ideas for all those DIY landscapers.

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