6 October 2019: Elle and Kate Perriam are joined by their friend Henry Hooker in sharing their journeys of learning to navigate grief. The Perriams co-founded 'The Will to Live' with some friends, a charity running a regional New Zealand 'Speak Up Tour' to encourage farmers to talk about mental health, in response to the high suicide rates in our rural communities. With host Hamish Coleman-Ross and psychotherapist Kyle MacDonald, thanks to NZ on Air.

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