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National denies their new welfare policy will put more children into poverty.
The party wants a traffic light-style scheme, which sanctions beneficiaries who don't meet their Jobseeker obligations.
A third breach could see benefit reductions, mandatory work experience, and someone's money managed by WINZ.
Labour argues the policy would increase child poverty, but National's Louise Upston says it'll be better for beneficiaries' kids.
"We want to see more families, more households in work, because we know that children in a household where a parent is working will, in the long term, be far better off."
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