Metiria Turei is still digging in her heels after meeting with government fraud investigators.
The Green Party co-leader has fronted up to the Ministry of Social Development after admitting she cheated the system.
She later told Andrew Dickens she's not embarrassed, and she knows that will upset people.
But she does admit to being somewhat worried.
"I think anybody who is in trouble is nervous about these kinds of meetings. I didn't exactly know what to expect, but they were very professional."
Turei had more flatmates in three of her flats than she had declared while a solo mother going to law school.
That meant she got more money than she would otherwise have got.
She only revealed what she'd done at a party conference.
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